velvet.net is on Demon. I usually use it via SSH. I've been getting severe packet loss from two different places: my home DSL on eclipse.net.uk (42% packet loss; round-trip min/avg/max = 34.2/466.2/1029.4 ms) and another shell, hellmouth.net, which is on Telenor/Nextra/CIX (46% packet loss; round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 61.119/552.820/1194.121/215.738 ms). Of course, Eclipse<->Telenor and Eclipse<->world seems fine ... How are other shell users doing? Is there an reproducible problem with Demon?